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Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 170	Posted - 2012.09.22 16:54:00 - [1] - Quote After all this time, I have not seen anyone decipher these terms, which seem to me to be a cornerstone clue in the Sleeper Mystery. So, I am reopening the discussion, hoping for new insights... Dropbear posted the following a long time ago; Quote: Well, Pottsey made an interesting discovery not so long ago, but the depth of what had been discovered still remains lost on you capsuleers. Take a good, long, look at this. It should shed some....light...on what Oruze might mean. My own research, backed by the above, put me squarely at Nowruz as the containing some of the answer to the question.. Nowruz means New Light. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 173	Posted - 2012.09.22 18:27:00 - [2] - Quote Nice, Wyke.. That's actually one of the very first songs I learned to play on the guitar.. Semantically, but, Dropbear suggested that it could not be solved purely with semantics.. So while it fits, I have doubts it is the correct "answer". Though I have been wrong before.. And Rising Sun Enclave makes less sense to me than New Light Enclave.. Given the other realities in Anoikis, New Light could be equated as New Intelligences, or New Emergent Lifeforms.. And the Osobnyk the instrument of their creation.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 174	Posted - 2012.09.22 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote Were that there were not individual structures designated enclaves.. The Mirror is a bit different, I admit, but the definition holds to a piece of sovereign territory within a piece of sovereign territory. And there are examples of enclaves within enclaves within enclaves, but, what other definition would you propose.. I admit that I can't find any that dispute the simple definition of a sovereignty in a seperate sovereignty. A stronghold within a stronghold doesn't match the definition of an enclave unless the strongholds are seperate sovereignties, as well.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 174	Posted - 2012.09.23 14:41:00 - [4] - Quote @ Borascus, like the Dark City filmreference, though, I haven't seen it yet, added to list.. I interpreted Cohort to align more to Cohort Study.. Given it's subject matter and the many clues scattered about, it seems pretty obvious there are two viral infestations floating around. One is biological, the other technological. The Spot, the virus in Ani, the Rogue Drones and the Cohort Enclave, along with a lot of minor nods imply this. This also implies a conflict between the material Jove and the non corporeal Jove. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 174	Posted - 2012.09.23 16:13:00 - [5] - Quote @Nikilaiki, The Talocan, IMHO, simply directs us to a people(Jove) who had some direct correlations with an ancient Earth Society(Aztec), as a way for us to understand that they sacrificed a portion of their own societies to the gods (Architects) via a priesthood(Enhuadanni) who took over an existing theology and twisted it to imply, that without these measures, Jovian society is doomed. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 174	Posted - 2012.09.23 18:09:00 - [6] - Quote In the above references to the Conformists, the Zoroastrian(Vedic) base seems to have moved toward Zen Bhuddism (metaphor of the planetary name Soekhiviti) which reflects the apparent philosophy of the Jovians.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 180	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:15:00 - [7] - Quote I see the Church of England as the model for the Conformists. Check out; The Vicar of Bray Penal Laws of Ireland To this notion of Conformism is added a militancy I liken to the jihadist extremism of Islam.. Also note there is no sense of Christianity in this model, only the idea of State Conformity of Religion. Nor do I believe the Unified Catholic Church to have been strictly Christian. Somewhere along the line conventional Christian ideas of Messiah must have adapted.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 180	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:34:00 - [8] - Quote The Talocan Cosmos states they they were around when the Eve Gate was open... Not clear on whether they came through the gate, though.. Quote: If it wasn't for the discovery of artifacts from an ancient human civilization dating back to when the EVE Gate was still open, the constellation would still be a desolate, dreary place totally ignored by all but a few bandits. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 181	Posted - 2012.09.25 11:26:00 - [9] - Quote Personally, I don't believe anyone was present before the "EveGate" events. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 181	Posted - 2012.09.25 13:18:00 - [10] - Quote Romvex wrote: do keep in mind that these wild claims about a certain race being in new eden before the gate was found or being native to anoikis would make said races, in essence, aliens... No such claim is made on my part.. Their Cosmos clearly states they were a human civilization.. The Jovian story, in some ways, shows some clear parallels to Pinocchio and the Pinocchio Paradox. Given that I want to show a complete overview of my research, I should add another line of reasoning that I dismissed almost immediately, but, since Wyke is bringing up ethnicity and music, I suppose it could be relevent, given the media and entertainment allusions at the Mirror.. Another possible interpretation of Osobnyk.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 181	Posted - 2012.09.25 23:16:00 - [11] - Quote Hmmm.... Contradiction alert, the timeline here names it the Unified Catholic Church, which is the older etymology.. What gives? I do agree about deciphering Osobnyk.. I doubt a direct translation or transliteration is the answer.. One thing I would ask about the alien issue, is how far are you willing to extend the definition of humanity? It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 182	Posted - 2012.09.26 11:51:00 - [12] - Quote Very nice! Given the double and triple meanings I have found all over the place, it well could be relevent.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 182	Posted - 2012.09.26 13:48:00 - [13] - Quote Synchronicity.. Conceptually, it is all relevent.. The soul as a butterfly; Quote: The Taoist philosopher, Zhuangzi, once had a dream about being a butterfly that flew without care about humanity; however; when he awoke and realized that it was just a dream, he thought to himself, "Was I before a man who dreamt about being a butterfly, or am I now a butterfly who dreams about being a man?" It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.26 14:58:00 - [14] - Quote It also states that the first piece was acquired in Anoikis, which raises some questions about wormhole mass stability.. But, we have a likely candidate for what was carrying the polestars around.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.26 16:08:00 - [15] - Quote Acronyms, anyone come up with a relavent one for OSOBNYK Orbital Solar Observatory is the best I've seen for the first half... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.26 18:58:00 - [16] - Quote En Hedu Anni One of the acronyms for the end of osobnyk is Year King Hmm.. Ties into Nowruz New Years celebrations in Heaven and the crowning of the new solar deity.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.27 02:33:00 - [17] - Quote Nice bit of work! And it fits well.. But, Dropbear specifically stated it is not Russian.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.27 11:47:00 - [18] - Quote No.. I started to expand a bit last night and got too tired to continue, apologies.. While exploring the list of objects from wormhole space that Borascus posted I found some further insights that I didn't get the chance to expand upon, and thus you got the enignmatic 27 above.. Orthrus and Sirius, the sentry guns of the Sleepers, are hunting dogs of Orion. Orion bears some startling resemblences to Maleatu Shakor... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.27 17:19:00 - [19] - Quote God I love stepping back and ruminating... I'm back, with a fresh perspective! Where to start? First, to understand the Jove, we have to understand how they think. OR, rather, how the Devs think they think. That has become painfully obvious to me in this discussion.. The Jovians are a Collective, the Jovian Assembly, nominally ruled by an Inner Assembly.. So, really, "ruled by" is a misnomer from the get go. They are a Collective, subconsciously tied together. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.28 10:35:00 - [20] - Quote Not sure how to take that Nikialiki... If I harshed your mellow, I apologize... You guys have done it to me repeatedly.. But, I love ya for it.. The idea has been creeping up on me and is supported by a number of implications present in Anoikis. For instance, The Mirror's hierarchal stucture appears to mimic the digital channel scheme of American television. Main channels and subchannels, though, it has some differences I can't define. The Coronation Platform is another hint.. What would rule a people who really didn't need a charismatic figurehead? An ideological figurehead? One such as an ethos becoming a logos? Coronation implies the crowning of a new king who is unrelated to an old king. If the Architects were updating the servers, say, on a yearly basis, they would need somewhere for this updating to take place. The Jove can't logoff at server downtime.. Another hint I got was from cross referencing, Nale, one of the characters in some relevent chrons, like, Black Mountain, and Order.. What I came up with was OOTS.. Nale is the evil twin of Elan, one of the main characters.. Quote: Much of the comic's humor stems from these characters either being aware of the game rules that affect their lives or having anachronistic knowledge of modern culture, which in turn is often used by the author to parody various aspects of role-playing games and fantasy fiction. This came about looking for acronyms for OSOBNYK, which I still think is an acronym. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 188	Posted - 2012.09.28 12:58:00 - [21] - Quote So, what does this imply about the Enclaves, of which we find two distinct types? Sleeper and Oruze. The Sleeper Enclaves are storage areas for bodies. The Oruze Enclaves harbor consciousness' only. That is why the Sleeper Enclaves seem to be more prevalent than the Oruze Enclaves. You don't need as much space to store a conscioussness as you do a body.. Expanding, the Sleeper bodies have the Jovian Disease, so extracting bioimplants from them is a risky venture.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 193	Posted - 2012.09.29 13:22:00 - [22] - Quote Infomorph Nikilaiki Ruutarhara wrote: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osoba It may not make sense at first. Oh contrare, it makes perfect sense, and touche... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 193	Posted - 2012.09.29 15:18:00 - [23] - Quote A further question, if, as I surmise, the Jovians are Drones living in a virtual world created for them, what then, are Rogue Drones..? Who also have a problem communicating with baseline humans... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 193	Posted - 2012.09.29 17:02:00 - [24] - Quote Very nice, I missed that one.. So, who again might the wrongly villified, by the "True" Amarr, Takmahl be? It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 198	Posted - 2012.09.29 18:27:00 - [25] - Quote In war, history is generally written by the victor.. What terms a victory is, of course, subjective.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 199	Posted - 2012.09.29 20:13:00 - [26] - Quote Kinda ties into my above mention of the Lesser Strain Hive Mother, Lesser and Hive in this case are both adjectives, so the lesser relates to strain and hive to mother, making the strain lesser, not the mother. They belong to the lesser strain, as in Jovian(drone) strain, not a lesser hive mother.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 199	Posted - 2012.09.29 20:46:00 - [27] - Quote Who, originally, if I recall properly, were afforded such position due to their superior intelligence and superior education.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 202	Posted - 2012.09.30 12:36:00 - [28] - Quote Arguably, individuality would be the goal of Sleepers trying to escape the virtuality. Something they would sacrifice a major part of in the virtuality, especially if you had dream police constantly monitoring you for "rebellious" thoughts and seditious attitudes. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 203	Posted - 2012.10.01 01:36:00 - [29] - Quote Doing some general fact gathering and came across something that is interesting and may have bearing on deciphering osobnyk. Looking at the Inverted Talocan Echange Depot and it brought to mind my argument on the Lesser Strain Hive Mother.. In the same general logic pattern the Inverted may relate to Talocan as most sites begin with the racial typifier first.. This sight however, doesn't.. So I surmised the Inverted might be an adjective for the Talocan and not the Depot... Inversion can relate to symmetry, and as such, becomes Antisymmetric.. Antisymmetric Talocan Exchange Depot.. Antisymmetry can also relate to linguistics, which I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around, but, it may be relevent.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 203	Posted - 2012.10.01 13:23:00 - [30] - Quote I think recursive in this instance relates to language and grammar.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 203	Posted - 2012.10.01 14:18:00 - [31] - Quote Ya, I've always hated math, and this stuff is mostly gibberish, to me.. If you guys can put some of this in layman's terms I might be able to contribute, but as it stands, I have to admit, I am mostly lost when trying to decipher the mathmatical aspects.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 203	Posted - 2012.10.01 15:45:00 - [32] - Quote Recurrence and the Laws of Probability seem to reinforce my position, as I see it.. Not dispute it.. They were trying to dig out the "bad things", and finding that they are inherent details of the universe, a cosmological constant.. If that makes sense..? Something they couldn't ignore, nor take out of the equation.. So they built a system with the most inherent good, realizing that the inherent bad was a piece they couldn't remove. vis a vis, The Culture.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 207	Posted - 2012.10.01 23:15:00 - [33] - Quote A good link to many of the ideas that pervade New Eden and the likely End Game of the Jovians is the Omega Point, here you can find more links to fictions that touch upon about everything we have discussed.. Given that Eve is a moneymaking venture for CCP, it is doubtful this end game will be reached, but, a possibility is that the Jovians are running a simulation of reality far into the future, using the time dilation possible in The Constrcut to answer the Last Question.. Damn fine list of fiction there at the bottom.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 207	Posted - 2012.10.02 16:02:00 - [34] - Quote The best I have come up with is osobnyk sounds very close to insomniac... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 207	Posted - 2012.10.03 01:30:00 - [35] - Quote Broken down, each individual letter holds meaning in it's own right.. For instance, Oruze means O-Eye, Rooz or Ruze-Day, Eye of the Day or Sun, which Dropbear suggested as Light.. O-Eye S-Tooth O-Eye B-House N-Snake or Fish Y-Hook or Peg or Spear or Path of Virtue\Vice K-Hand or Palm or Grip Haven't sorted anything out of that, yet... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood 207	Posted - 2012.10.03 05:54:00 - [36] - Quote Borascus wrote: Request for retcon: The Jovian language is a very strange tongue. speech consists entirely of vowels and fluctuates rapidly in frequency. Jove It is a Retcon.. Quote: It may not make sense at first.. But, it's starting to now.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

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